More people tuned in to watch the first hour of pop star Taylor Swift’s appearance and new album announcement on the “New Heights” podcast than watched the first hour of Donald Trump’s “Joe Rogan Expe...

Taylor Swift made her podcast debut on Wednesday night when she appeared on the New Heights show, co-hosted by her boyfriend Travis Kelce and his brother Jason.

Now, she owns her catalog outright, has a new album coming in October, and has already watched the Eras Tour out-gross the Super Bowl itself.